Ralph’s father and the oldest child of another James.

When James Payne was born on 2 June 1876, his father, James, was 22 and his mother, Amelia, was 25. He married a widow, Florence Edwards (nee Jenkins) in August 1902 in Birmingham, Warwickshire. They had six children in 12 years. He died in December 1947 in Birmingham, Warwickshire, at the age of 71.

Birth -2 Jun 1876 • Brighton Place, High Street, Aston Manor, Warwickshire, England

1881 Residence 03 Apr 1881 • No. 7, Court 5, Clifton Road Aston Manor, Aston, Warwickshire, England Age 4. Relation to Head of House: Son

1891 Residence 05 Apr 1891 • 26 Regent Place, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Apprentice Electro Plate. Age 14. Relation to Head of House: Son

1899 Birth of future stepson Arthur Edwards(1899–1957)January 1899 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

1901Residence 31 Mar 1901 • 4 House, Back of 141 Icknield Street, Hockley, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England Electrical Engineer. Age 24. Relation to Head of House: Son

On 5th August 1902 he married Florence Edwards (nee Jenkins). They both gave their address as 19 Barker Street, which is a few doors down from Florence’s sister Gertrude. The marriage took place in Birmingham Register Office (so either non-conformist ot no religion – probably the former; born out by burials??) Gertrude was a witness at the marriage, along with her future husband Alfred Parry.

1903 Birth of son Ralph Payne(1903–1972) 27 Dec 1903 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

1905 Birth of son James Payne(1905–)1905 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

1907

Birth of daughter Marion Payne(1907–)

16 Feb 1907 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Birth of daughter Florence Amelia Payne(1909–)

January 1909 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

By the 1911 census James, Florence, Arthur and Ralph were were living “1 back of 28 Garbett Street” (a recurring theme) with three younger children James, Marion and Florence Amelia. The youngest, Lily Mary, was born August that year.

Everyone apart from Arthur were in the same house ten years later. James senior and Ralph were both out of work; Florence was a charwoman at the Children’s hospital in Steelhouse Lane and James junior was a Billiard maker for Hodgetts of Bull Street.

Residence

02 Apr 1911 • 1 Bk, 28 Garbett Street, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Brass Turner, Wood Turner. Age 34. 5 children, 5 living. Marital Status: Married; Relation to Head of House: Head. 3 rooms in dwelling.

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Residence

29 Sep 1939 • 1 rear 28 Garbett Street, Ladywood, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

Brass Turner. Living with wife, Florence (Unpaid Domestic).

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Death

Dec 1947 • Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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Burial

Dec 1947 • Key Hill Cemetery, Icknield Street, Hockley, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England

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